Encyc talk:Revenue sharing

it seems like if we actually are interested in doing this - OPEN COMPANY - then it might be good to get a structure and system in place for automating the inclusion of money generating links the way that we would like them... and then also a money distribution and sharing structure in place, again, as automated as possible. Wikademia

Another question is, why should anyone trust me? At any time I can do whatever I want with the server, and I can imagine what a judge would say if someone tried to get a deal made with a shadowy "Emperor" enforced. I guess after two years of running Encyc rather consistently and fairly that my past behavior might be a predictor of the future? Emperor 13:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

It seems that your past behavior may be somewhat of a predictor of future behavior.... more later... Would it seem reasonable that XML dumps of Encyc and Wikademia are provide publicly on a fairly regular basis? Wikademia

No one has ever actually wanted an XML dump, so I haven't bothered figuring out the logistics of it. As far as I can tell, Wikipedia has actually reneged on this promise by making it so technically forbidding a task. Emperor 03:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

MyWikiBiz has been doing this forever. Why do people not edit MyWikiBiz more often? Emperor 13:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

MWB has been "doing what" forever? Just being a wiki out there in wiki-land? Wikademia

I personally think the "Biz" makes the MWB name sound a bit silly. That is just me personally. Perhaps 95% of the rest of the world thinks that the name is great and there is nothing silly or a bit... weird? about it. Again, that is just my gut reaction... This is not to say that the "MWB" name is objectively weird or silly at all. Branding and marketing are fairly powerful and if that is the first thing that ppl see, I personally react differently. Wikademia

MyWikiBiz allows authors to put Google AdSense into their pages, and keep the proceeds forever. The catch is MyWikiBiz also shows a lot of its own Google Adsense around the page. It's an interesting concept, but doesn't seem to have really taken off.

Before it was MyWikiBiz it was Centiare (pronounced scenty-air). That was an ok domain name but the owner wanted to go his own way. I agree MyWikiBiz at first is a little jarring, with the "my" reminding me of not being able to get the domain name they really wanted and the "biz" reminding me of SEO and marketing. But over time I think Greg has branded the place well and now when I think of places businesses can list themselves for free, that's what I think of. The name evokes the business use purpose really well, but not the general purpose encyclopedia-like reference so much. Of course the word "wiki" is pretty cool. There are probably millions of people running around calling Wikipedia simply "wiki". Diverting their attention with the wiki word is probably not so bad.

Wiki is such a powerful word that I have no plans to remove the "wiki" from the address bar of the MediaWiki. Besides making the syntax closer to en.wikipedia.org/wiki, I think encyc.org/wiki just looks cool and makes people think of wikis and encyclopedias. And organizations. Like for free, and without ads screaming at you.

I'm still not sure about the revenue sharing stuff. I'd like some of the other users to weigh in before any policies are set in stone or anyone wastes a lot of their time doing things one way and then I have some fickle urge to change the rules. So I guess while it might seem like I'm dragging my feet I guess it's because I don't want to lose our "no money involved" sticker which is something I think people like. Emperor 23:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Wikademia

Not to be a downer, but it seems to me that if the world needs a "free" not for profit encyclopedia... Wikipedia will work good enough. They have like 250 languages going and they are teaming up with Google to get more articles in African languages. Wikademia

While we're chewing the cud, I think "Author your legacy" is simply awful. Reminds me of writing your own obituary. Emperor 23:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

lol. Oh well. Who want's a legacy anyway? yuck. Wikademia

I'm OK with "revenue sharing", but what do you mean "my past behavior might be a predictor of the future". What would be a mitigating factor in the ratification of these new "revenue sharing" rules? Cute wolverine 00:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

If i remember the definition of 'mitigating factors", I would think mitigating factors might include: 1. strong/or perhaps even weak community disproval 2. after more quasi-research/thinking about it/investigation it seems unrealistic and or not doable 3. a big break down in trust.

There may be others I dunno. Wikademia

Hello Cute wolverine and welcome. By my past behavior I mean something that's been observable over the years that Encyc has been in existence. I've generally tried to be fair and predictable. I think that's something people want in a project that they're going to donate significant amounts of their free time to. With a brand new wiki you have no idea if the leader is going to do something crazy, but over time you get something approaching "trust", maybe not the same thing but just an idea that the leader (me) might actually have the goal of writing a free general-purpose encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and isn't just in it for cash or fame or whatever. Emperor 03:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Using Adsense

What would happen if Adsense was used and then all proceeds were distributed utilizing a trust metric of some sort? What would happen if (it seems this probably could not happen at this point, so just theoretically) Jimbo Wales put AdSense on Wikipedia and then a trust/merit metric was used to distribute profits to writers/editors? Wikademia

Sorry to be blunt, but I hate Adsense. It looks trashy to me, and I'm always vaguely creeped out by it serving ads related to the content I'm reading. I understand that's a good way to advertise, but it's exactly the direction I don't want to go. Emperor 03:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)