Talk:Gloria Stuart
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[edit source]I ported the initial version of this article from material I first prepared on the Citizendium. Since I am the sole author of this content no further attribution is required. Geo Swan (talk) 15:09, 14 January 2025 (EST)
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[edit source]One of the greatest movie villains of the 1990s. Enki (talk) 03:02, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- Titanic director James Cameron married the actor who played her grand-daughter. And, the two of them were close to Stuart, kind of treated her like an honorary grandmother. In the Titanic article I noted something you might not know, if you weren't old enough, or interested enough, to be paying attention when Titanic was being made. Film Industry insiders noted (1) the film went massively over-budget; (2) the film was very late; (3) the film required the construction of a massive water set, in Mexico, which insiders thought was very indulgent; (4) when the production company started getting cold feet, Cameron renegotiated his salary. He said he would forgo any salary at all, instead taking a share of the film's profits.
- Those film insider naysayers mockingly said, "Why, the only way that film will make a profit is if it has a higher box-office take than any film in history!" They also said, "Who is going to want to see it? After all, everybody already knows how the Titanic story ends."
- Of course it WAS the highest box-office film in history, when it came out. Renegotiating, to forgo his salary, in favour of that share of the profits made Cameron one of the wealthiest directors in history.
- With regard to the (terrible) characters on Seinfeld all agreeing old Rose was the villain... That is an interesting phenomenon -- films where the nominal villain is really heroic. Did you ever watch that fantasy show Grimm? 25 word summary, A cop has the ability to see mutants, who can morph into magical creatures, and covertly hunts the bad ones, and covertly kills them. The producers seem totally oblivious that this makes him a serial killer.
- One of the villains in episode one is beautiful young lawyer, who is from a group of mutants who morph into ugly witches, and can do witchcraft like magic. The hero dirty-cop serial-killer, almost kills her a couple of times. Oh, he also knocks her up. She remained a pure villain, for a couple of seasons, until the other villains turn on her, then he rescues her.
- The thing is, the producers could have had the film be about her, the beautiful, plucky mutant girl, who was trying to save mutants from the dirty-cop serial-killer. The producers of Dexter, at least, knew he was, at best morally dubious.
- Continuum, a time travel series, from 2012, had a bunch of rebels, and one beautiful cop, from 2077, arrive in 2012, and fight it out. It takes the cop two and half of the series three and a half seasons, to realize the establishment she is fighting for, from 2077, was a terrible distopia, so she is not as heroic as she thought, and the rebels are pretty sympathetic. It had been on Roku, and is now on Prime. Geo Swan (talk) 13:58, 12 February 2026 (UTC)
- I agree with Seinfeld's take. Liar and a bit of a tramp. Here it is spelled out in (less funny) detail. https://medium.com/@agneswrites/why-rose-was-the-real-villain-of-titanic-9f8f07857092.
- As for movies where the protagonist is morally dubious, I think that's been running its course for a while now, to the point where it has reached a parody of itself. Look at how Rings of Power tried to humanize the orcs by showing the orc families and children before the orcs went off to battle. And is there a more detestable character on the show than Galadriel?