Talk:World War II

A Gimmick

I've found a glaring, careless error in Wikipedia's WWII article. The first person to find it gets an imaginary barnstar. Auggie 16:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Clues

1. This article does not contain the same error
2. It is in the Axis collapse, Allied victory section

It's still there. Auggie 05:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok fine.

German forces surrendered in Italy on 29 April and in Western Europe on 7 May.[211] On the Eastern Front, Germany surrendered to the Soviets on 8 May.

This is a blatant error that has been there at least since March 2010. It gives the impression that Germany surrendered to the western Allies on one day and to the Soviet Union on the next. In fact, Germany surrendered to all the Allies on both May 7 and May 8. The reason there was a redo was to make Stalin happy. He wanted it in Berlin and he wanted a different Soviet representative to sign. Everyone played along because they wanted everything to be right and there to be no questions afterward. Auggie 03:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

They're actually talking about it right now, and still none of these morons have caught on. These Wikipedians are regulars who have spent years owning the WWII article. Auggie 05:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Communism

Come on man. I don't have the time to constantly monitor this. Everyone knows the Soviet Union was communist. Auggie (talk) 17:11, 7 May 2019 (CDT)

That's actually a common misconception. The Soviet Union was lead the the Communist Party , yes, however, it was not stateless, and social classes still existed, therefore it was not actually communist. It was socialist , which in Marxist terms means a country that is transitioning to Communism. /u/ksan created a page with links to books about Marxism-Leninism (the strand of socialism that the CPSU supported), I'll leave the link here if you want to learn more. ["Basic" Marxist-Leninist study plan]

That's hair-splitting. Communism is the generally accepted term for the ideology of the USSR. Especially within the context of World War II, you don't want to fling around the term socialist because it can be confused with the Nazis. Auggie (talk) 18:20, 7 May 2019 (CDT)

Who thinks the Nazis are socialist, other then far-rightists like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Praguer who seem to think that the definition of "socialism" is "everything I don't like"? A favorite way of putting of mine is "If the National Socialist German Worker's Party is socialist, then Buffalo wings are actually made out of buffalo, and Rhode Island is an island". RandomUser34 (talk) 19:48, 7 May 2019 (CDT)

It's in their name, so it can be confusing. Especially to those reading a general encyclopedia which might be their introduction to the subject. Also, pretty much everyone in the english-speaking world called the Russians communists at the time. Auggie (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2019 (CDT)

Why we wiki

World War II was a unique war in history, with huge moral implications. Countless books and many firsthand accounts have been published describing the horrors of Nazism and the Holocaust.

Ever since the war, dishonest historians, known as revisionists, have attempted to reframe it as a simple conflict among European nation states, or business as usual for the Great Powers seeking to expand their empires. They have achieved their goal on Wikipedia, where the World War II article focuses on diplomacy and battles to the detriment of everything else. Nazi ideology is very briefly described as a “radical, racially motivated revision of the world order”. That’s it.

On Encyc, a wiki alternative to Wikipedia, we copied and then improved the World War II article. This process, called a “fork”, is in accordance with the Creative Commons license and supported by Wikipedia. We added information, changed which topics were prioritized, and made readability improvements. We deemphasized battles and tried to focus more on the human aspects of the war.

The most substantial change is that we used proper terminology for ideas. Wikipedia, on the other hand, uses vague, general terms with links to more specific articles.

Wikipedia’s article is 255,000 bytes. Encyc’s is 93,000. Google prefers Wikipedia’s version. Encyc’s is ranked very low in comparison, so a random searcher is much less likely to find our article. Neither article is perfect. There is still a lot of work to be done.

Here are some facts or terms present in the Encyc World War II article that are missing from Wikipedia’s version:

• Allies, led by Great Britain, France, the United States, the Soviet Union • Axis, led by Germany, Italy, and Japan • Goose-stepping • Racism • Napoleonic Wars • Concert of Europe • Franco-Prussian War • Alsace-Lorraine • Pacifism • "Stab in the Back" myth • Russian Revolution • Beer Hall Putsch • Mein Kampf • Aryan race • Great Depression • Nazi Stormtroopers / Brown Shirts / SA • Swastika • Guernica • Jesse Owens • Anschluss • Dunkirk Evacuation / Operation Dynamo • Henri Philippe Petain • Operation Sealion • Hermann Goering • Wolf pack tactics • Graf Spee • HMS Hood • Arctic convoys / Archangel / Murmansk • Kriegsmarine • Liberty ships • Admiral Cunningham • Suez Canal • Oran / Mers-al-Kebir • Algeria • Toulon • Sudan • Kenya • General Archibald Wavell • Operation Compass • Operation Battleaxe • Claude Auchinleck • Desert fox • Harold Alexander • Bernard Montgomery • Morocco • Kasserine Pass • Victor Emmanuel III • Pietro Badoglio • Gustav Line • Sword, Juno, Gold, Utah • Caen • Bradley • Avranches • Mortain • Falaise • Seine river • French resistance • V-1 rocket • Narrow front strategy • Island hopping strategy • Canada/Canadian mentioned once, in context of Pacific War • Spitfire • Hurricane • B-29 • Feminism • Civil rights • Rotterdam • Arthur “Bomber” Harris • Zyklon B • Josef Mengele • Reinhard Heydrich • Chaim Rumkowski • Gestapo • Fat Man • Little Boy • Uranium • Plutonium • Ledo Road • Himalaya Mountains • Flying the Hump • Operation Ichigo • Claire Chennault • Mao Zedung • Alfred Jodl • V-E Day • Panzerfaust • Eva Braun • T-34 tank • Panzer IV • Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen • Walther Model • Omar Bradley • Parachute • St. Vith • Bastogne • Antisemitism • Vladimir Lenin • Kamikaze • Orde Wingate • Chindits

Enki (talk) 12:04, 30 October 2024 (EDT)