User talk:Jonas Rand

Hello, what do you know about Encyclopedist? Did they ban you as a sockpuppet of him? Phaedriel 13:59, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

I was going to reply to the previous question, but thought better of doing so (Phaedriel seemed to have bought into the "anti-Nathan" propaganda so I don't owe her any favours). Anyway, long time no see. Hope all is well. Nathan 17:35, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

I am doing placement tests for 7th grade, it's nice to see you. Why did you leave WR? Jonas Rand 21:57, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

I don't want to discuss it here where the walls have ears. I think you remember where to find me, though. Nathan 22:05, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey

Hello kid. I don't know who Kimberly is but i'm sure she isn't me, or Encyclopedist, or Amorrow. Many EnWiki admins are paranoid policemen, who care little about actual content and prefer catalogating vandals and trolls, but they do a terrible job in many cases. GHe 15:28, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Rant

Hello again, Jonas. You sound quite mature for a 12 year old, unlike most kids of the same age i encountered on other wikis...

Anyway, Encyclopedist (he uses the account Ulises Heureaux now, and surprisingly it hasn't been smacked down yet!!!!! Is this finally the road from "we ban people" to the much more logical "we ban accounts and permit people to come back if they behave properly") was framed back in summer 2007 because Jayjg, a very smart and powerful Wikimedia checkuser, confirmed (how could he do it???) that the user who was insulting Phaedriel, Kyoko and Riana was him!!!! He also found more accounts linked to him, such as "Gorge He", "SweetCarmen", and the notorious troublemaker "Mike Garcia"! And people trusted his words!!!

It would be quite interesting to know HOW THE HELL they were linked to each other, given that i rarely used proxies, SweetCarmen was allegedly posting from Spain, and Mike used to post from California, lol. Someone (Miranda???) even suggested the puppeteer behind all this was Amorrow!!!! SEE THE PARANOIA, THE COMPLETE IDIOCY THAT PERMEATES THAT PLACE RUINED BY TROLL ADMINS, WHERE BANNING AND CREATING IDIOT RULES IS NOW MORE IMPORTANT THAN EDITING PEACEFULLY TO HELP AND LEARN???? I REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN SUCH A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT!!!11

In the end Jayjg drove a new user away (Carmen) and scarred Encyc's reputation forever, now people who are unaware of the mess call Encyc a stalker and sicko!!!

Ya, the main reason for me to create this mess was to learn a lot more about this magical checkuser tool - something which people consider as a sort of magic god which solves every problem related to account abusers!!! BUT YOU CAN'T STOP ACCOUNT ABUSERS BECAUSE ANYONE CAN EDIT - IT'S THE WIKI SLOGAN!!!!!!!!! HE'S BANNED, HE MUSTN'T EDIT, REVERT REVERT REVERT REVERT REVERT REVERT!!!!

IP addresses need to be stopped from editing, their vandalism is an excuse for letting wiki-drugged kids like Sceptre edit 11000 times a month! THIS IS SLAVE WORK!!! THE ONE REVERTING VANDALISM ENDLESSLY AND MAKING PROBLEMATIC BLOCKS (SUCH AS DEALING WITH AMORROW AND OTHER OBSESSED PEOPLE) SHOULD BE JIMBO HIMSELF! MAYBE HE WOULD STOP WITH HIS CRAP ABOUT ADMIN = NO BIG DEAL!!!!

No Big Deal. 1500 unpaid soldiers protecting an area as big as the Roman Empire. We're making featured articles, powering the capital of the empire, while all the other cities languish in poverty. The barbarian can be a guy on wheels, a kid who punches the keyboard, sometimes a jolly giant, and sometimes an obsessed stalker of women.

Pages get moved to RANDOM TITLE ON HAGGER. No big deal, just revert it back while i'm out with my friends somewhere far from the States having an expensive dinner, bought with my credit card filled with money donated by volunteers. I'll give you some red tasty juice when i'm back home! And maybe a spare hooker!

Just received an unwanted visit because you blocked a particularly strange user? No big deal, just Revert, Block, Ignore! He'll go away if you ignore him, or he will get bored after he is done beating you. I'll give you the Barnstar of Resilience after i come back home from shopping with my ex-wife, look at that washing machine coated with gold, isn't that beautiful?

Such is the english wikipedia/wikimedia in general as viewed by a very very normal contributor who is very very tired of contributing there, sigh :(

Italian 21:12, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

This reminds me of a quote from Emperor's talk page (paraphrased of course): "The English Wikipedia admins are generally paranoid." That has been proven in so many cases. Nathan 21:51, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Kimberly Ashton deletion?

I noticed that you now are asking for the page to be deleted. I don't understand why, as what you had written documented it pretty well, and it was a pretty important issue to discuss. Perhaps it needs to be rewritten slightly to better represent the known facts. The fact of the matter is that this was someone who was possibly soliciting minors, something which is a danger that needs to be exposed. Whether they are linked to Amorrow or not may not be proven fact, but there are links. Even if they are not the same person, it does not mean that Kimberley Ashton was not dangerous. Please reconsider creating the page again. Blissyu2 22:48, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

So you are worried about being called obsessive? Why should you care what people call you? Surely the issue is to show to people the dangers that this person represents. The issue, that I saw at least, was not so much the Kimberly Ashton identity even, but the dangers that this represents. It was dealt with really ineffectively by Wikipedia administrators (including banning you) which demonstrates that Wikipedia is horrifically ineffective in dealing with dangerous individuals. I think that it is important to have such an article. But if you want it to be deleted then that is up to you. I think perhaps it is better to try re-writing it, from scratch even, and just include things that people would really want to know. Whether or not Kimberley Ashton is Amorrow is an issue, but it is not the main issue. Indeed, whether or not Kimberley Ashton really did rape or solicit sex from underage children isn't even the issue - it is more of an issue that what they were doing could have led to that. The page should be acting as a warning to people. Blissyu2 23:20, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

lol - it's funny watching both of you feeding your obsessions. Man, this beats Wikipedia any day ... - Alison ^❤ 00:22, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

That brings back bad memories of people saying similar things about me, things I'd prefer not to remember. Nathan 00:44, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh? Do tell. Is this related to your leaving WR? - Alison ^❤ 00:54, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

No, that was Wikipedia (and subsequently ED, which is a whole 'nother kettle of fish - I am supposedly "crazy" which is the same thing people say about Adrian [sorry, I needed someone to use as an example]), not Wikipedia Review. If you want to know why I left WR, you're welcome to ask. Let me know if I have to enable the contact page. I don't want to talk about it openly. Nathan 01:04, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Are you comparing yourself to me, Alison, Blissyu2, or Kimberly Ashton?Jonas Rand 00:46, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

None of the above. I'm not comparing. Nathan 01:04, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

I meant what comments were you comparing the ones directed towards you to. You were comparing them to those made about Blissyu2 and I, right? And you have e-mail. Jonas Rand 01:12, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Not so much you, more Blissy than you (well until this moment). Nathan 01:24, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Okay. Well can I make the article then? Blissyu2 23:30, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Like I said ...

... this place is teeming with socks. No, it's not mine, but Blissy will likely think so. He's already figured KamrynMatika was me :/ Oh, and BTW, Blissy already owned up to the Dyinghappy account, in case you missed that. "Dyinghappy" = "Merrydeath", geddit? - Alison ^❤ 00:07, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Happy holidays

E-mail doesn't seem to be getting through, so I thought I'd wish you a happy holidays, what little of the holidays there are left. Nathan 23:08, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Nathan. Jonas Rand 07:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Nathan 07:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Now officially banned?

I guess you mean Wikipedia? Don't worry about it. Why not spend all your time working here, instead? Duke of Puke 03:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)